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Diana Lind's avatar

McDonald’s has good hours, low priced food and ample seating. If any local coffee shop was open 6am to 10pm, had items that were less than $2, and could seat 40 people, it too would be the center of community. Kind of shocking how simple that formula is and how few places offer it.

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It's good to hear this perspective, as I've seen some Strong Towns opinions that have trended toward looking for and focusing on incompatibilities (https://www.strongtowns.org/journal/2025/6/9/the-trouble-with-abundance).

Admittedly, that article is about Abundance, and yours names YIMBY, but I think they are close to the same conversation. Abundance is broader than YIMBY, but it also used YIMBY examples as it's core examples. As I argue in https://norabble.substack.com/p/is-abundance-elitist, this is an opportunity for more examples, not an exclusion.

I've always appreciated the ideas in Strong Towns, but I'm also drawn myself toward something bigger. I feel there are limits in the "human-scale" it advocates for, though I also appreciate the argument in the same way as I understand the suburbanite that wants a backyard, or a number of other preference sets.

The part I've not appreciated is the direction preference "enforcement". Despite the logic travelling in the other direction, the most least dense communities have tended to advocate most strongly against the creation of the denser places. They've often voiced this in terms as if they are threatened by the creation of denser places.

That just doesn't make sense though does it? The demands for space from the most dense places are least in conflict with the demands form the least. If you want to live with less density, you either need less people, or some group that lives in more density.

While this is illogical at the 10,000 foot view, it's not hard to see why the conflict occurs. The most dense places have value, and many places with moderately less density, and then even less density, tend to accumulate on their peripheries and surround them. For the most dense place to grow, it has to change some small part of this periphery and it's pretty universal that resistance to change needs a strong positive force to overcome rather than just a neutral force.

Skyscrapers aren't going to displace anything other than a tiny fraction of Strong Towns, anymore than Strong Towns can displace a fraction of single family suburbs, and neither will do any of that without people who appreciate the benefits of each. But, both can be blocked entirely if peripheries have total veto power.

To the people in the peripheries, this seems to make sense. I'm here and it's my property, shouldn't I be able to veto anyone changing it? But just a little reflection should show, it's not an accident that the peripheries are peripheries instead of isolated from the city. Since it's not an accident, they owe something to those cities. The ability to veto the cities growth, should never have been a presumption. If they aren't willing to accommodate dense areas growing, they shouldn't have built next to it. They shouldn't feel entitled to the benefits of proximity to a thing they'll deny others access to.

That said how hard can you argue against wanting your cake and eating it too an individual level? It only carries real power when you compare that allowing a higher density area to be built, it always fulfills more people's desires than blocking it.

Strong Towns is great, but it can be NIMBY too if it presumes the desires of those who'd be happy in the densest of places aren't valid.

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